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Does he speak English? (a rant)
November 21, 2011
6:35 am
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I don't know if others have had similar problems, but this is really getting on my nerves. We're raising our children trilingually as my husband is Finnish and I speak German. Since I'm at home with the children, they mostly hear German and my son (3) mostly speaks German. Whenever people here me speaking German to him (and him responding in German), they comment "oh you're raising him bilingually! That's so great." At which point I feel compelled to say, "Well, trilingual actually…his dad's Finnish." "Oh that's great!" Followed by, "Does he speak English?"

(insert smiley banging its head against a wall)

Yes. Yes. He speaks English. I'm aware we're raising our kid with three languages and being that he's at home, he interacts with us mainly using the non-community languages, but my husband and I speak ENGLISH together. When addressing both of us, my son will use English a lot of the time. Honestly, I feel like putting a sign on my son's chest that says, "Luckily for you, trilingual means THREE LANGUAGES and yes, one of them is ENGLISH!"

So yes, you may speak to him in English. He might not reply. A lot of the time he doesn't if he doesn't know you very well, though honestly I don't know what's the point because anytime he does reply in English, people aren't expecting it and if you're expecting to hear a language you don't understand, it makes it a lot harder to understand it when he speaks a language you should understand.

It doesn't help that since he's only 3, if compared to a monolingual child, his language wouldn't be perfectly clear anyway, but since he's trilingual, if his English doesn't sound right or he speaks more of another language, it's just more "poof" that he doesn't speak English. Therefore, more reason for people to talk "around" him (talk directly to me instead of to him) because "he can't understand and doesn't speak English."

Gaaaaah so irritating.

Then one of our friends who we don't see often asked me the other day if he was trilingual yet. Um, what? Granted he doesn't have kids, but if he had, I would immediately begin to ask him if his kids were monolingual yet. The ignorance….it hurts. Yell

November 21, 2011
4:23 pm
Johanna
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I feel your pain! My kids are trilingual too (elder 6, younger 2) and I've almost always had that response when, for some reason, they don't react appropriately or aren't understood: the conclusion immediately becomes "perhaps it's because they speak another language…." This regardless of whether one is dealing with an exhausted 2-year-old on a late afternoon shopping trip! It doesn't help that my older daughter probably suffers central auditory processing disorder (can't be diagnosed until they're 7 or so), which means she's been even more reluctant to react at the "behest of others" and has difficulty memorizing verbal expressions (words included!) 

But, perhaps one shouldn't view this as a problem but rather as a privilege, an opportunity to educate and inform people who are ignorant of the beauty, joy and complications that follow bilingualism (or multilingualism!). Your lovely child is a walking and talking example of how life can be enriched with multiple languages and multiple cultures. Now that my older daughter is 6, I notice how her friends envy her ability to watch films in English, while they're monolingually limited to Icelandic. The time will come for your son too, where he won't just be different, but be superskilled!

So, even though you can't control people's responses, you can certainly have a better time of your own. You can either grin or bear the ignorance - which you'll do on the days you are tired or overwhelmed – or you can use it as an opportunity to discuss, explain, educate. You have no idea how your child's speech is enriching all the people he meets, regardless of their initial reaction. Enjoy it!

November 21, 2011
6:49 pm
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I know, I know…trust me, I've been grinning and bearing it because lately it's all I'm capable of doing between strangers expecting him to talk to him and friends telling everybody he really doesn't speak any of the languages. Usually I just tell people that, yes, he speaks English and leave it at that, but naturally then they ask him what his name is or how old he is or what not and he's hiding behind my legs making nary a peep. I can't wait til I have at least one older child who is speaking, so I can at least have a walking example of, "look it works!" You'd think my husband would be enough, since he's trilingual as well, but for some reason multilingual children just throws people off and it makes everything much more puzzling to people.

It's just TIRING being the only representative of a subculture you know and constantly having to explain everything, implicitly defend your choice and then still have people walk away having made snap judgements as far as a child's linguistic abilities are concerned, especially when they only speak one of the languages he does (aside from a few phrases). I feel like I need to move to a place where everyone is multilingual, raising their kids multilingual, so that I can relax a bit and feel normal!

November 28, 2011
1:10 pm
Sally
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Hi!  I am British, living in Finland with my German husband and our daughter.  I don't speak Finnish very well, so people assume that our daughter can't either. But she goes to daycare 2 days a week and she CAN speak, she just chooses not to.  It used to happen that someone would ask a question in Finnish, she didn't reply, they assumed it was a language issue, so quickly switched to English, she still didn't reply, so they said "she's shy". So now she thinks she's shy….grrr. NO, she's just 3 years old and has never met you before in her life.

Now she's nearly 4 and still doesn't speak much to adults she doesn't know very well, but she is more chatty with other children and is getting more confident. When people hear her, they turn to me in surprise and say "She can speak Finnish" I do not say "I told you so". I too, try to grin and bear it :-)

Maybe we could start a new multilingual village – but where?

Keep up the good work! Sally

December 11, 2011
12:37 am
Tatiana Asakura
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Hi, i am joining your grins at the point of kids talking to others. Just on Wednesday in the japanese kindergarden one of the moms ,talking to me in the mix of Dutch and English, as usual, because i am too white to talk in Japanese, applied to my daughter in English, then turned to me : aaah, she probably does not speak any English?
Yes, madam, you may do it in Japanese since she goes to this kindergarten for the third year! And she IS Japanese despite the fair hair.
Kids ,being half Japanese, half Dutch also tend to apply to her in Dutch, rather than her native Japanese. The" foreign" looks do matter.
In my case, after communucating with daughter's trainer in Dutch for one hour, i was applied as following:sorry, DO YOU UNDERSTAND IN DUTCH?we are going to offer them a game…
Well, we keep grinning…

December 14, 2011
8:16 am
Carolyn
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Yes, there's a lot of ignorance out there.  And the ignorance of parents unfortunately is what trickles down to their children, thus making it hard for your kid's classmates to understand that your kid actually speaks and understands 2 or more languages.  I too have experienced this first-hand and was very hurt by it.

We've been raising our now 2 1/2 year old daughter in French and English (in the US).  She's proficient in both languages and was an early talker (very early in French and early in English).  Now that we're putting her in Spanish preschool, people are starting to question if I'm being "too hard on her"!  Or, "can she take 3 languages"!  I tell them that kids can learn several languages simultaneously, they just have to have exposure to the language in the form of interacting with people.  And I say that if we had 2 parents and 2 grandparents living in our household who all spoke a different language, then she'd be learning 4 languages!Laugh  We only have two adults and 2 languages at home, so that's what we started with.

Anyways, I try to have compassion for these people.  We definitely shouldn't make fun of them; that would (in some cases) bring us down to their immature level.  Maybe come up with a short sentence that you use to educate people.  The whole "kids' brains being like sponges" is such a household concept, you could say something like, "Children's brains are like sponges – they just soak up whatever you give them.  It's not hard for him to learn 3 languages at this age – I wish I had!"  Keeping it light and friendly will be more effective and better for your child to see/hear, too. Remember that you're giving your child several languages so that they can communicate with more people, not to alienate them from monolinguals. Smile

December 15, 2011
3:53 am
Susanne
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I remember the early years here in the UK with our 4 daughters who were all shy with strangers when small. I always addressed them in German and when alone at home would speak only German, but when English-speakers visited I'd switch between languages and translate for the visitors out of courtesy. As they grew up the girls learned to do the same without questioning why we spoke German at home.

I didn't take the questions why they would not reply in English very seriously, or should I say personally, because speaking more than one language is so unusual here. Instead I'd joke that it would save me having to teach them not to speak to strangers later or that the child in question was probably trying to assess whether the visitor would be able to understand German or whether that would overface them (if I was tired…Wink)

 

You know that you're giving your child one of the most precious gifts possible: an understanding that there are more ways than one to say things, do things or look at the world! With it comes the realisation that neither is better, just that people around them are more used to one way than people of other cultures. That will be so helpful when they add other languages to their repertoire: much of the time I have to help monolingual children understand that you have to ignore how their own language works if they want to learn another – yours will know this by experience and won't be reduced to trying to translate from the familiar language to the other one!

 

There are times ahead for those with young children, when the home language comes under fire, mostly when they spend all day at school surrounded by one (and it finally dawns on them that they could speak the school language at home as well as you speak both…) and then you will find it much harder going, but don't worry – if you persevere you'll get there!

I had to pretend to be deaf if they asked in English. It did get a bit annoying, but now, although their grammar isn't anywhere nearly perfect they can make themselves understood and visit relatives abroad on their own, translating for friends they travel with. And they appreciate the advantage it gives them because they can watch TV news or other programmes and read papers in German and French which we added later.

Finally, our most linguistically gifted daughter was mis-diagnosed at school as having a vocabulary too small for her age (at 5 if I remember rightly). Fortunately I just laughed when I read the letter from her concerned teacher, because I knew her  to have a much more extensive vocabulary than her sisters at that age as she was incredibly chatty and there was always someone there who would talk to her! It turned out that when she was expected to reply to some questions she had been trying to hold her breath because "the lady smelled bad"!LaughLaugh

Trust your own motives and instincts and feel sorry for the monolingual people around you who cannot access the other cultures without looking through the eyes of a translator!

January 5, 2012
1:09 pm
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Hi, guys! Sorry! I forgot about this forum and haven't been back in ages. Thanks for the words of encouragement. I think part of the problem is I very much feel that when they ask if he can speak English, what they really want to hear is him, speaking English. Not me reassuring him that he can speak English. But of course he doesn't because he doesn't know them, at all. And even though I know he won't speak it (though I know he can say Hi!), I really want him to so I can "prove" to them that he does speak English. Ah, if only he were a trained pony! ;)

It will get easier when he's older. I've read posts (can't remember if it was this forum or another) where someone said that with their first kid, it was tough, but by the time they had three and got questioned on their child's language abilities they would just say "oh, yes, s/he seems to be taking after his older sibling!" and move on. But with the first child, there's always doubt. And since I'm raising my kids with a non-native second language, I doubt myself even more! I know it can be done, I know people who have done it, and I support my reasons for doing it, but I still feel insecure because my German isn't 100% perfect.

But each day I get more and more proof that (duh) it's working. One night at dinner, my son doled out Shrimp, saying "Here you go, honey!" as he gave one to my husband and then "here you go, honey!" when he would give them to me (he's been listening to me talk to my husband too much!) and then say "you're welcome" when we would take them (he says you're welcome instead of thank you…according to my dad, I did that too :p). Then one day after quiet time he told me, "Ich habe Ruhezeit gemacht[sister's name]n kanssa" I had quiet time (in Germa) with Sister (in Finnish). He has his way of asking me "What is this?" in German (Kai di sai?), it isn't Was ist das, but he has a completely different way of asking his dad what something is in Finnish (I don't know the phrase, but it's not Mikä tämä on?) and he gets very upset when he says "Kai di sai?" to me when dad is in the room and my husband tells him it, in Finnish. When I'm around, he wants NOTHING to do with Finnish. He won't speak it, he'll understand it, but will only talk to me in German, and any comments for all of us are in English. But I've heard him on the baby monitor with daddy in the room speaking Finnish, so I know he can. But he seems embarrassed to speak it around me. Maybe he knows I can't understand?

Though, interestingly enough, I'm "äiti" all the time. He's tried out the words Mama and Mom but stuck with äiti. So once he was throwing a huge fit in the kitchen and knocked over a chair onto himself and he stopped screaming and cried out "Äiti, HILFE" (Mom, HELP!), so even in emotional duress, I'm Äiti.

In a lot of ways, I feel very bad that his vocabulary is divided up by 3 languages because I really, really, just want to have conversations with him. He can say things,  but they're limited because you need so much vocabulary to have a good conversation and when you're learning three different sets of vocabulary at once along with all the different rules, it really slows you down. I feel so sad when hear how well his peers are talking in comparison to him. I want to have hilarious jokes and long conversations with my son, too!

And another thing that stresses me out is that I do feel a lot like people are judging my child's language skills. As we were leaving a get together, another woman with no kids came up to me and told me that he DOES understand more English than she thought, with a sound of surprise in her voice. And it's like, dude, tell me something I don't know? I live with him every day. If I say he understands English, I mean it. I'm not just saying it. And it's a bit much for someone to judge a child's language development after only spending 3 hours with them (especially when they have no knowledge of the other two languages!). Besides, no one looks at a monolingual 2 year old and tries to figure out how much of their language they understand or decide that just because they can only say a few words, they can't understand anymore.

I really really wish I had a "multilingual village" I could turn to in support. Sometimes you just need to hear you're doing okay, or things will be fine, or that your experiences aren't unusual and everyone feels that way sometimes.
And remember, this is called a rant and not "Well thought out response that was actually said" for a reason! If I had no sense of decorum or politeness, I might have launched into it…but I save rants for online postings and just smile wanely in real life ;)

January 16, 2012
2:41 am
Sophie
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I'm so happy to have found this thread! To know that I'm not alone in feeling a bit fed up! We live in a medium-sized town in the UK and I speak to him in French, my husband speaks to him in Italian, we speak English to each other (we were both raised bilingual with our respective languages) and he gets English everywhere else.  And I am totally fed up of the comments I get.

Whether it's from friends or casual acquaintances asking me how much English my 2.5-year old boy speaks/understands, or the weekly comments about how "he's getting so much better at speaking now". It's like my family is some big parenting experiment that everyone is entitled to comment on because it's "different". Or the general rudeness from people we don't know at all, random strangers in the park making comments in English about us because my son tried to get on the swing before another child… he's 2, it's not because he's speaking a different language, it's because he's 2. Or people muttering about foreigners not speaking English…  

 

It's frustrating and hurtful, even though I know that the friends are just genuinely curious and don't mean anything by their comments. I do find I get very defensive about my son's language skills. Oh, and the best bit… apparently in the British school system, all multilingual children get automatically classified as "special needs". CryYell

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